Einmal eingesteckt, wird der Trainer schnell von Zwift gefunden. I don’t even mean in ERG mode either. They work just fine. Is there a proper way of starting a workout? Will the derailleur be all mess up with the new cassette ? Before we dive into all the usual review stuff, let’s just do a super quick recap of what’s changed between the Elite Direto X, and the newer Direto XR. – New ERG mode algorithm with increased responsiveness/stability In Settings, you will find “Power smoothing”. Ray you might want to double-check the mandatory wall wart picture *before* you let that thing roam free in the DCR power brick sanctuary, never to be found again. It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. Also, I assume for the calibration on the Direto, you let that warm-up for about 10 minutes or so? Can I put the bike on the direto and start cykling, will it work just as good? Rechnung Lastschrift Vorkasse. The higher the speed, the harder it is for trainers to control in ERG mode. 100 Watt mehr als die des Tacx Neo 2T und 500 Watt höher als die des Wahoo KICKR Core. Then, with the money that I would save with respect to the Direto XR or the Saris H3, I could also buy a good quality front light just in case I wanted to ride outside during autumn/winter. Links from the accessoires list link need to be fixed, they link the review itself, not the item on Amazon. The Direto XR follows the same app compatibility standards as previous Elite products, and essentially follows the industry norms as you’d expect from a high-end trainer. Der Neo 2T Smart T2875 von Tacx bringt es auf steile 25 Prozent und Wahoo bietet den Steigungssimulator Kickr Climb als Zubehör an, der interaktiv mit den Rollen wie dem KICKR SNAP17 und KICKR CORE zusammenarbeitet. 2) wheel size : I know that this is a very tricky topic. So hat sich die Größe des Schwungrads von 4,2 kg auf 5,1 kg erhöht. But, if you’re overriding that with a Level command, then basically the trainer has to wait for the next command from the ERG app, which occur when resistance levels change beyond the previously established baseline. Brilliant, thanks for the prompt response. They can also manage the trainer and set levels in ERG-mode. Check out I have just bough the direto xr and wondering about the cassette. “….You need to change the ‘Trainer Difficulty’ level to 100% in order to feel it (and most people don’t bother to)….”. Oh, and free US shipping too! I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Well, it’s not loud. Negativ ist, dass es den Elite Direto XR minderwertig erscheinen lässt. And if you will be using the trainer with multiple bikes with different speeds/cassettes then again the wheel-on option is the preferred choice. From my interactions with Elite customer support and lack of help to other customers, I would not recommend people buy any Elite products other than water bottles and cages lol as they do not support their customers. If so, my suggestion is to test with front axle higher. As I wrote in my previous comment, it is better to test these outside of Trainer Road. Thanks for the suggestion though. But, there are edge cases where an app won’t do that – and then you get into the pickle like noted above. But is there a way to pair my Garmin hrm-tri to the Direto XR and then pass the heart rate to Zwift by using the Direto XR as an Ant+ to Bluetooth conversion? I know that we are human and it si impossible to keep the power really ‘flat’ but fluctuations of 30/40W in erg mode are not a normal behaviour in my opinion. Pre-COVId I would bikr around 300 to 350 k per week and I can avg a bit over 30 kph over 2 hours in flattish conditions, relatively few stops and light wind. Look at the link and you’ll see it next to the power source. So for example, Amazon Germany shows that same fan as 19EUR: link to amzn.to. But most of this all boils down to two core methods: ERG Mode: Setting a specific power level – i.e., 220w. Elite behauptet, dass der interne Leistungsmesser auf +/- 1,5 Prozent genau ist und dass er bis zu 220 Datenpunkte pro Pedaltritt messen kann. Thank for your reviews there always so complete. I was a bit skeptical about the noise level but no worries here, I can definitely ride in my apartment day and night, just avoid those crazy sprints at 3 am and it should be absolutely fine. Note that because you remove the rear wheel I can’t use something like a PowerTap hub to compare as well (which I would use in power meter testing normally). Das Foto zeigt einen Mann der im Wohnzimmer auf dem Elite Direto XR trainiert. The Direto product series has always been the mid-range offering, but with the increases in power, inertia, and ERG mode control – it effectively becomes a freshman college student. It allows you to compare power meters/trainers, heart rate, cadence, speed/pace, GPS tracks and plenty more. Ray, And of course – you can always sign-up to be a DCR Supporter! I don’ know why some in the Zwift community keep trying to push back on this concept. Essentially it’s a speed thing. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. Now we are almost sure it’s ready by that date. This is a super basic trainer mat, which is exactly what you'll see me use. In that case, the company claims up to 2,300w of resistance at 40KPH. Le Home-Trainer Elite Direto est livré dans un carton avec de nombreuses mousses en polyester afin que celui-ci ne soit pas endommagé lors des différents acheminements. Ausserdem kann der Elite Direto XR nun Steigungen von bis zu 24 % simulieren. Power data accuracy: direct-drive trainers are generally speaking more accurate regarding data on your watts. Alright. To get a new direct drive turbo trainer and have found the elite suito for £580 or the elite drivo 1 for £600. Versandkosten: ab 3,95 € Details. I’d rather the darn trainer be accurate to begin with. Which one would you pick? So some of the intervals I was a little bit less stable than others. I want to suffer on 15% hills to better prepare me for outdoor riding. 1) what about the cadence sensor? Does someone as a solution to this issue? Being manufactured in Italy, product will arrive on European shelves first and overseas countries later. And H3? Good. I have a few issues I’m trying to resolve and haven’t had any luck yet…. I think that the Core might be set in “Erg mode power smoothing”, which should be set by default. So for that, we need to actually look at the overlay from TrainerRoad showing when it sent the command followed by when the Direto XR achieved that level. Please feel free to give me feedback if you have any doubts. I was just wondering if it’s me who uses the trainer wrong or an issue with the algorithm. Direct-Drive (interaktives Direktgetriebe), FE-C (Fitness-Equipment-Control), PWR (Power), S&C (Speed & Cadence), Wireless ANT+ (FE-C, Leistung & Geschwindigkeit & Trittfrequenz), Bluetooth (FTMS, Leistung & Geschwindigkeit & Trittfrequenz). Just curious, but can’t get my head around why this may be. They’re updating their specs now to conform to how it’s usually spec’d. For chainrings, I used 36/19 and a cadence of 90. My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated December 18th, 2020 @ 8:06 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. Das ist nicht schwierig, kann aber auf Dauer nerven, wenn man den Elite Rollentrainer für jede Trainingseinheit auf- und abbauen möchte. But I have to push hard to get it moving – which is not ideal when the gears are not aligned well. Never mind, I just found the relevant section in the article. I do think we’ll see it. I figure 8.5% avg…i can do that (I am closer to 59 than 58, run 225-230 lbs, and have the VO2 max of a piece of granite…asthma). Die Mitgliedschaft ist bei Zwift für 7 Tage kostenlos. I’ll keep working with Elite and see if they can’t make one more adjustment and get it spot on. I think they wrongly translated mph into kph. In fact, Elite’s really been one of the leaders for years in supporting the various standards – including FTMS. Why haven’t you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? Es sorgt für ein realistischeres Gefühl von Vorwärtsdynamik, fast so wie man das beim Fahren in der realen Welt hat. Kurz gesagt: Der Elite Direto XR Trainer ist der Nachfolger des Direto X, kombiniert mit der bewährten Technik des Drivo II und bildet dadurch das Top-High-End Gerät der Elite Familie. The only problem? I keep constant 90 rpm cadence, +/- 2 rpm. While the Suito was pretty darn close last year to the perfect trainer unboxing, this one just seems a tiny bit more polished somehow. Das ist immerhin ein Plus von 6% gegenüber der 18% des alten Direto X. Mit dieser Weiterentwicklung lässt der Elite Direto XR den Wahoo KICKR Core um satte 8 % hinter sich. I used a fit-file for the test and did it via custom workout in Zwift. I use 39/25 teeth gearing, bluetooth connection with no other BT in range, no WiFi, no ANT+ connection either. A 10% grade “feels” like 5% because it slows one down via lower wattage for a given gear. Der Elite Direto XR ist die dritte Generation der smarten Direto Trainer. C) Power Stability: How stable is it in holding a given ERG mode setting? Finally, an Elite unboxing that’s flawless. And yes, the power is very accurate, following exactly what the Quarq DZero reports, with the same responsiveness. Oh, and here’s the power adapter side going into the wall: On the non-sexy side of the trainer there’s the status lights. When calibrating the Direto XR on Zwift, did you find it was a “5-step” process instead of 3 (as it was with my Kickr Snap)? “…Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm…” shouldn’t you mean “Road 130x5mm”? Frankly, it was spot-on, and so I wasn’t about to dork with it again. Haven’t used the Direto yet, but I’d strongly advise against getting the Drivo II; there’s no support for it, there’s never been a firmware update, and there were major issues with the ERG mode. Should I just swap it to a 11-34 one ? I opened a ticket with Elite. Worth a consideration, and the hack trick to try is some extra thick foam padding (excercise mats, firm foam sponges, etc) under the support feet of the trainer, to allow some leaning motion. . Versatility: actually wheel-on trainers are generally speaking more versatile as they are smaller and lighter and there is no wheel assemply required. Bravo on the full Elite line-up shot! I finished but it was not pretty. Das Foto zeigt einen mann der auf seinem Mountainbike über Zwift ein Intervalltraining absolviert. They’re updating their specs now to conform to how it’s usually spec’d. You’ll want to pair it up as a controllable trainer (which will also pair it as a power meter) – as seen above. Here is a video we did earlier this year comparing rollers // wheel-on trainers // direct-drive trainers. 752,95 € inkl. But you keep a constant speed while increasing the effort. I bought it and the Smart Steering device. Also, we’ll recap some general spec stuff too: – Cassette now included (11-speed Shimano/SRAM compatible) Hi Andrei, So if you intend using the trainer also for outdoor races for warm-ups and cool-downs, then a wheel-on trainer is more suitable. In these cases the Direto XR takes a long time as well to adapt to target power. That said, it’s a bit of a spec battle for the sake of battling. You’re right I am thorn between this one and the Core, I was considering the Core too but I think the Direto XR is more future proof and I have better Elite support in my area. As you probably know, apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, SufferFest, Rouvy, Kinomap, and many more all support most of these industry standards, making it easy to use whatever app you’d like. But yeah, gotta add a picture of it for sure! That got the ramp workout to agree for output, but I’m currently seeing the Suito track from 3-9watts high for Zwift races. Leveled on the trainer was nose down on the road. I used both Zwift and My E-training. Jede Art von Training, die dir in den Sinn kommt, kann dank des Direto XR in die Tat umgesetzt werden. I’m feeling now more than ever we need a new field in your comparison tool for product name pronunciation , Like a little speaker icon that’ll pronounce it for you? It seems like that should be incorporated in the algorithm to have about 5 seconds to get the flywheel going and get up to speed, no? Direto xr:762 € on bike-discount.de, should i get it ? if you have realism to 0%. ANT+ Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts your speed and cadence as a standard ANT+ Speed/Cadence combo sensor It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. Of course, that added power comes at a slight increase in price – now $949, but it now includes the cassette pre-installed, saving you money there. I recently got the Direto XR and was wondering if there is a way to pair my Garmin HRM-Tri to Zwift. Only the front derailleur will work marginally worse. In reality though I think it’ll just snap the power cord in half. What are your least favorite countries/places? I take things to a whole new level of interactive depth! In this mode, it’s just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. The amazon link works fine though. Here’s my results: link to dcrainmaker.com, Ray, thank you for your reply. – Direto XR, 90 kg rider, ride in B-groups during local bunch rides, likes statistics, wants to improve , HI, I just purchased the Direto XR. Can be used without power cord in a pre race scenario as a warm up I suppose the Wahoo due to the price, but why? I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. So ist die maximale Wattzahl neu bei 2300 statt wie vorher 2100. Narrator: Now we watch as AW change the difficulty setting I believe this is my last suggestion. They’re more and more rare now, but they do happen (across all trainers). . You will get a better picture of the actual trainer responsiveness and initial stability (over/undershoot of the target). Sure, it’s not quite in the same grade as a full blown Wahoo KICKR or Saris H3, but it’s not priced there either. I have one which seems to work really well for me, has kept me sane through lockdown and done 4000k on Zwift in that time, but too much overlap with Suito? Once you get to 37kmh just keep increasing speed up to 55-57kmh. Der Elite Direto XR ist ein leiser und zuverlässiger Smart-Trainer, der ein gutes Fahrgefühl liefert und für eine genaue Leistungsmessung sorgt. I’m still hoping that they will come to their senses and release an update if it’s feasible. Funny that it was easier to hold 1000W than 100W at such high cadence. Découvrez le nouveau home trainer de Elite, le Direto XR. My high front axle trick can lead to a similar shift, and works to relieve pressure on many rides I have shared this trick. How do you feel about spending hours in the saddle on an trainer without a riser? That’s handy if you’re connecting to Zwift on an Apple TV, due to Apple TV’s two concurrent Bluetooth Smart sensor limitation (plus the Apple TV remote). Do we know that for sure? I run a 34 x 28 and after two switchbacks at 250+ watts @ 50 rpm up 10-13% inclines…I dialed it back to 70%. At bottom around 80watts are quite close together. Though also, historically speaking they didn’t have an easy way to issue those till the Upgrado app last year. Try restart both your Elite Direto XR and the device you are trying to pair it to. My standard thing would be once I get the trainer paired up, just pedal a bit then, and that should reset things. I see the wrench only on W10 desktop, not on the Android app. But what if you have really low gear ? Do u have the latest update on phone and MyEtraining app? The reason I do this is a faux proxy that is meant to replace the backward push we experience when riding outside, from wind resistance. I’m just a bit worried that the H3 and it feeling not much better than the Tuo after splashing out twice as much money. Not sure, but pretty high. Der Direto XR wird komplett eingerichtet geliefert. Der neue Direto X ist der Nachfolger des Direto und wurde laut Elite in einigen Punkten deutlich verbessert. Just to comment on a couple other areas – the Suito + chain noise is too loud to use in the same room as someone else trying to be on a Zoom call. Eine Zahlungsangabe ist in diesem Moment noch nicht nötig. I read in the comments that Elite say their trainers work in colder temperatures and users have reported no problems with Elite trainers in cold temperatures. However, there’s one thing that bothers me. As noted, it has the cassette on it, and it also has all the legs pre-connected. On MyETraining the calibrationen work good for me just by following the instruction on the phone. Er überzeugt durch großartige technische Daten und nützlichem Zubehör, dass man bei anderen Trainern extra kaufen muss. You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Shame on me for not figuring it out on my own. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. Von Simon Müller Vom 20. If you draft behind another rider, with the same gradient and same power, cadence and gear – your virtual speed will increase. It’s going to measure how long it takes to coast to a stop.